Nanny Google

tomorrow in Massachusetts I was told by Gary at MVS during the 4 month ban of vape gear while investigating why people in the US have gotten very sick or died from vaping NON VAPING related marijuana oil products.

So find your friends out of state or get online tonight to order your coils and juices.

Maybe the investigation should be why people in other countries haven’t been getting sick and why this is JUST happening now after a couple of decades of people vaping e juice. Could be something to do with the government and politicians trading in a multi billion dollar industry and let’s not forget the lobbyists errr donors.

And yes I emailed and called my knee jerk reacting guv Baker to express my embarrassment that one of the states with the highest quality Universities aren’t asking for FACTS.

Big Tobacco (and Pharm) and the governments reason of losing $7 billion dollars to people switching from known carcinogenic cigarettes to less harmful vaping products.

As more bans get put into place and more people get sick or die from contaminated black market ejuice and THC products.

Just as planned so they can point their fingers and scream - we told you it was dangerous!!  

I quit smoking to start vaping and have never once missed smoking. A little over a month ago I quit vaping all together after two years of slowly working my nicotine level down from 36mg to 0mg.

I quit vaping at zero milligrams of nicotine and never experienced nicotine withdrawal symptoms.

I guess these would all be good things except for the fact that I miss vaping. Multiple times a day since I quit the thought of having a vape pops in my head and just as soon as it does this weird feeling of loss follows as I realize I no longer vape. I would think by now these feeling would have subsided but they have not.

I wouldn't think much of it but since quitting I have gained 10lbs, have little to no energy, find myself easily frustrated and worst of all have found myself drinking a lot more than normal (which is probably why I gained 10lbs anyway). A huge part of me just wants to go back to vaping.

I guess my question is, Did anyone else quit vaping and experience weird side effects from quitting? If so, how long did it take you to feel normal again?  

My Smok Nord broke last night. I googled the problem and got an endless number of hits from people that have had the same problem. Lots of Youtube videos explaining how to fix the problem. Apparently, it has something to do with the three metal prongs attached to the battery getting pushed in and no longer making contact with the pod. Some guy tore the thing apart to show how cheaply made the springs are that are underneath the little metal prongs.

I spent 40 dollars at a vape shop for my Nord for an electronic device that was made on the cheap for a few pennies. The Nord has been around for awhile, as has this problem with the prongs. Does Nord know about it? Of course they do. Have they fixed the problem with better parts or a redesign? Of course not. What do you think, they are a legit company like Apple or Samsung? They don't care about ripping people off. Some Chinese "engineer" probably sketched out the idea for the Nord while on the toilet. Then he figured out what parts would be needed to put it together as cheaply as possible. The factory probably started producing them the same day and them sold them to marks like me who want to quit smoking.


If I bought something defective at Walmart or Target and brought in the product with the receipt, I would get my money back. How about in the vape world? Not a chance. You've got to deal with the company yourself and they will jerk you around until you give up and forget it. If you are very lucky, they will send you a replacement device after the vape store owner asks the company to do them a favor. Three months and tons of phone calls later, you might get a replacement device. But most people either give up or don't try to begin with. There's always plenty of new marks trying to quit smoking.

The guys at the vape shop told me how great this device is. They must be aware of the garbage they are hawking to people. Or maybe they don't know. People who work at vape shops are not the brightest people. And it's not just the Nord. It's every gd vape I've ever bought. One vape blew up while charging and burned a hole in my carpet which cost me 500 dollars to repair. I wrote about it on here and no one on here believed me and said I was trolling until I showed photos of the blown up device and my charred carpet. I heard, oh yeah, you shouldn't have charged it through a laptop. How the hell was I supposed to know that and why wasn't a safety feature installed to turn it off? Because that would have been too expensive to put in.

Let me ask you this. Why are all the instruction booklets that come up with the vape devices written in bizarre broken English, obviously written by a Chinese person? Because they were too cheap to hire a translator, they didn't think of it or they thought their English was better than it was. If you purchased an Apple laptop and the instructions were written in broken English, it would be incomprehensible. But not in the vape world! That's just normal. The reason they didn't get someone to check most likely is because they thought their English was good enough. That sums up vape devices: good enough. Those Chinese ......s could have found a native English speaker on the street and offered to buy him lunch if he agreed to spend 10 minutes proofreading their bad English.


If vape shop workers had any shame, they would quit, and if the owners had any shame, they would shut down their shops. They are all complicit in this and so are most of you.  

Vape-Related Deaths Are Scaring People Back into Smoking Cigs

Mark, a Massachusetts man who has worked at a vape shop for two years and requested anonymity for fear of losing business, said he had heard from many customers in recent days that they were making the transition—getting rid of nicotine-based e-cigarettes because of what they've been seeing in the media.

Although any shift was in the earliest of stages, it was still a remarkable concern for tobacco-control experts like Michael Siegel, a professor of community health sciences at Boston University, who views getting smokers off traditional cigarettes to be the primary public-health matter. Even now.

"There are two big fears here," Siegel said. "That former smokers are going to return to smoking cigarettes, because they'll think, Why not just have the real thing? And also that smokers who might have otherwise wanted to try e-cigarettes won't any longer."
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What hast thou wrought?  

China Effectively Bans Online Sales of E-Cigarettes

if true then it’s a good thing for those who have been hoarding errr I mean stashing vape gear.

unfortunately it’s a terrible thing for those wanting to quit smoking.  

THERE ARE ONLY 116 COMMENTS POSTED ABOUT THE PMTA ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE

Here is the link: Premarket Tobacco Product Applications and Recordkeeping Requirementsv

and here is the post I made to the FDA:

Smoking costs millions and millions of lives across the globe annually, and people suffer through their addiction to cigarette tobacco, pipe tobacco and chewing tobacco. They suffer hideously disabling and disfiguring diseases and even still, many smokers are stuck chained to the yoke of that addiction until the day they die, and sometimes they unwittingly take loved ones and even their pets with them through continuous exposure to second hand smoke and the residues it leaves behind for children to play on. It was a horrible, horrible thought to realize that anyone in close proximity to MY cigarette was being exposed to toxic waste.

I discovered vaping after I had exhausted every other avenue that I could find in my efforts to quit smoking for good. I was determined. I gave my word to my father as he was dying of lung cancer. That is what he asked me to do the last time I saw him alive. He was a wonderful, witty man who enjoyed cross-country skiing and horseback riding and had never been sick a day in his life until he was diagnosed with lung cancer.

The day my father passed away I was taking Wellbutrin, and I was suffering hideous side effects from the drug. Wellbutrin was one of many, many medications and products that I had tried, and failed, to quit with. Of course, big tobacco companies were banking on that, which is why they invested so much of their marketing strategy on enticing people when they were very, very young.

This device that I have in my hand right now is what saved me from carrying on with that relentless cycle of failure that I had become so used to. It is the device itself and the flavored juices that I use with it which made that possible and made cigarettes obsolete. I can do things with my vape that I could never do with a cigarette, and because my device is so vastly superior to fire at the end of a stick which tastes like rotten sewage mixed with car exhaust when inhaled, quitting was actually quite enjoyable. I control the temperature of my vapor and the strength of the nicotine I inhale. I can decide if I want to feel the vapor in my throat, or not.

Nothing soothed my irritated throat and lungs the way vape did when I first quit. It also soothed my nerves because while I did still had access to nicotine, I was also withdrawing from the many other alkaloids that these tobacco companies had incorporated into their products which enhanced the addicting effects of the nicotine. But cigarettes had finally met their match with this wonderful device because I simply woke up one day and realized that I hadn't smoked in quite some time and furthermore, I had no desire to whatsoever. Wow. Just wow.

It gave me back the control that I had been denied for over three decades of my life, and I am no longer a slave to an outrageously priced killer bent on decimating my wallet while inflicting a very long and slow death sentence on me.

But now I and thousands and perhaps millions of others are faced with these sweeping and draconian PMTA regulations and flavor bans because you want to take that control away, demolish the entire vaping industry and hand the wreckage of what's left over back to big tobacco so they they can reconstitute 'vaping' into a cigarette styled device filled with cigarette flavored liquid because they're addicts - they will have to take what we force-feed them.

By doing this, you will be destroying the lives of all of those people who put their heart and souls into creating and developing and producing these devices and the juices that we buy. You are taking away my right to read the safety data sheets that many of these companies freely provide because they are well aware that a lot of us want to know exactly what we are buying and putting into our bodies. We have trust issues, you see.

You are depriving people who have not yet made the switch the opportunity to do so, and you are trying to take the very thing that saved, not only my life, by my sense of self and self worth right out of my hands and the hands of everybody else who successfully QUIT their deadly addiction to toxic smoke, while telling us that what is good for us is to have a dubious fluid produced by even more dubious companies inserted into a cigarette like device that tastes like cigarettes. And let's face it, that will cause thousands of people to go back to the habit they thought they had given up for good -- or turn to a black market source in order to continue doing what they were doing before their supply was cut off.

That would be an unbelievable tragedy and all the more tragic because an agency of the government is what would force them to do it. These regulations are a slap in the face to any logical argument about the safety of inhaling my flavored vapor as opposed to smoke. I am happy and proud that I was finally able to accomplish the promise that I made to a dying man. What was your promise?  

If they found that vaping was worse for you than smoking cigarettes would you go back to them? I don't think I would I like not smelling like smoke and I enjoy a quick stealth vape at work. But I don't know if I would quit vaping all together either.
What would you do?  

So, I was traveling for work today, and I had to stop at a gas station to grab a drink and use the restroom. As I was checking out, I overheard one of the other customers asking the clerk if he had any vapes. The clerk told the customer they only had the Vuze e-cigs. The customer was bummed out because he had forgotten his setup on the counter of a vape shop in Sacramento, which he was sure was gone by now, saying "Those things aren't cheap," and I told them I know all about it, lol. He was waiting for some food he ordered to be ready, so I went ahead and made my purchases and went outside to take a vape break. When he came out, he lit up a cigarette, having succumb to the urge and the not having a vape. We got to talking, and he told me that he was a veteran, having been discharged after his Humvee was blown up by an IED, leaving him with a TBI - Traumatic Brain Injury. He has a hard time remembering things, and that was part of the reason he left his vape behind. He told me he was using a mechanical (I deduced that after he told me it was a metal tube with a button on the bottom) with a cheap clearo that had a very tight draw. He didn't really know much about vaping, he just knew that it had help him go a month without smoking. I showed him my setup - a Smok Xpro M80 Plus with an Artic tank using the .2 ohm coil, filled with Vape Wild's King Cake at 65/35 VG/PG 3mg nic - and he was pretty impressed. I let him try it out, and he was just blown away by it. He really enjoyed how well it hit, how much he could taste it, and how much vapor it produced, saying he could really feel the nicotine, even at 3mg. He told me a guy at the vape shop he goes to gave him a box mod, and he showed it to me, a simple unregulated box mod - an 18650 Hammond box with a missing back, no MOSFET, no nothing. I told him he should get a couple batteries and find a back to go on his box, even told him I would be on the lookout for one. I also gave him one of my drippers, a TOBH Atty clone, and told him about coil building, and how drippers work. I also gave him a couple bottles of Vape Wild's Dragon Juice 3mg, 65/35. The last nice thing I did was to tell him about this place, telling him that everyone here is more than happy to help answer any questions he might have, and to give him some advice. Anyway, just wanted to tell you guys a little about my moment of Vape It Forward tonight. Hopefully he ends up showing up here someday. Support the troops, guys and girls, they need it.  

I've tried to quit smoking using vape stuff many times over the last two years or so. I've made it two weeks twice and otherwise have not made it long enough to remember. I had a dream last night that I was vaping. When I woke up I got excited about that (that I wasn't smoking in the dream). I went back to bed and woke up this morning in the middle of a dream that I was smoking. Ahk!

I know that I cannot ever have another puff if I want this to work. There is a thread about how gross smoking tastes after vaping. It's true that for me, smoking is sort of gross and leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, but clearly I like it no matter how disgusting it is.

Around February, my boyfriend said he wanted to quit smoking in the spring. We quit on the same day (last Monday). He uses nicotine gum and I have my vaping. He enjoys taking a puff off my equipment. But a "puff" has turned into about as much as I use it. Last Saturday he said he only had one piece of nicotine gum because he vaped most of the time. I'm trying not to be annoyed, but it kind of irritates me a little. Mostly because I chain-vape and don't want him to take it from me. A few days ago, I noticed he kept adjusting the voltage and handing it back to me without changing it back to where I had it! I made sure he stopped doing that.

Last night he asked me what stuff I buy (the battery, clearomizers and liquid- sorry, I don't know the correct terminology for everything). He was reading up on vaping. I am hoping he's considering buying his own stuff.

I'm thrilled that he quit smoking and want to be supportive of him regardless of how he does it but I sort of want to say, "get your own!"  

Was all set to play cards with friends tonight. A tradition in our group for over 20 years now. For at least the last 8 years, I'd be vaping at the table. Occasionally a (liberal) friend would want to have a discussion on the politics of vaping. That usually didn't end well. Kinda easy to win a discussion when you're holding a winning hand (metaphorically speaking).

We change off on who hosts, and everywhere we've ever played, I've always been allowed to vape, at the table. Tonight, I asked the host (just to be sure) if he is okay with me vaping. He said, he'd prefer I didn't. We discussed it a short while, and while I could possibly still enjoy myself with the updated policy (literally changed as of today), I decided it's not worth it. Part of me is lashing out at the societal changes of late.

Literally nothing (at all) has changed with vaping nicotine in the last 3+ months, yet as most of you all know, we are now in a societal phase where people truly believe both vaping (nic) is harmful to the user (as in you might die tonight) and harmful to all those around the vaper.

Given how idiotic society has become with 'knowledge of smoking,' I'm quite certain we will be in this phase indefinitely, or for a very long while. Probably won't be too long that we have statistics saying 300,000 people die annually from vaping related diseases. Sad if anyone reading this falls in line with that false information.