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Cheers all...
Its been a bit since I've dropped by.
As more & more Bitcoin Atm's arrive on the planet,
I dropped by to see if there's suppliers listed by payment method?
June 2015..I still see reviews Positive & Negative,
Suppliers by county.
How many still buy online compared to Brick&Mortar?
I notice a big difference between Asia & USA in crypto currency use too but
was delighted to see US online vendors accepting BTC.

Oh btw I dont have any "relationship" to any vendors or cryptocurrency just observing  

A while back Nicoticket did a lab test on all their juices and released the results publicly.

Nicoticket Testing Results | E-Cigarette Forum

This was a bold move on their part which has earned my outmost respect for coming forward and setting new standards.
My question is why we as a community have been so ignorant about knowing and demanding to know what's in our juice from our vendors?
If you know of any other vendors that have done lab tests (with publicly posted results) please let us know.
I think it's about time to send this message to our vendors that we do care to know what's in our juice. If more vendors come forward, other vendors would be more pressured to follow suit.  

I was starting to get a little worried that this obsession with vaping and sitting here reading and studying and searching online for the necessary supplies was making me much more sedentary than I would like. However I realised this evening that coil making is keeping me fit. I keep dropping these minute parts which, on our tiles floors, have a habit of rolling under furniture and disappearing off the face of the earth. So there I am, several times a day, on my hands and knees, face down on the floor looking for these fricking bits and bobs. LOL that's more exercise than I've done in years.  

We all know it's coming... possibly the end of vaping as we know it. This guy is loud, in your face, too much to stand sometimes, but does lots of reviews and now he's telling it the way it is and "in yo face"...



For me personally, this is a tricky time (I'm super low budget) I can't afford to stock up, but at the same time, prices are dropping and sales everywhere (so I might stand a chance after all) And yes, this all sucks!  

So with the latest news banning vapes from being mailed by USPS and Fed Ex on board in the spring , also I am sure it won’t be long for UPS to jump on board , I am just wondering what people think of the vaping world coming soon ? I for one rely on all my vape supplies thru online vendors it certainly feels like this is the end or will there be a way that vape goods will still be able to be purchased and mailed ? Just wondering what some of the folks here are thinking  

Thanks to @440BB for starting the first thread, but it got out of hand and was closed.

But this is an important topic and I believe we should have an active thread about it as it is still currently underway. And as events unfold (and possibly change) we should be discussing it.

Lets try this again without so much emotion and political beliefs such that it changes the thread's topic and deters other from participation. And maybe "reptilian shape shifters" might be better-off discussed on some other forum or in the "Outside" section of ECF.

And remember, this is a shipping ban, nothing to do with the FDA deeming regulations - there's a thread for that.

Effective dates for the following major carriers...

FedEx - March 1, 2021
DHL - March 1, 2021 (unclear)
UPS - April 5, 2021
USPS - after March 22, on the date the final rule is published, no later than April 26, 2021. There seems to be some major conflict among what various sources believe as to when this effective date will occur. However, it is for sure, as @440BB stated in the original thread, after March 22 and no later than April 26.

Note that all carriers accept USPS are not actually disallowed by law from transporting vape supplies, they volunteered not to, most likely for a combination of reasons - requirements are strict and probably not profitable (but politics most likely plays a role, too).

Here is a link to the legislation that was passed that made this shipping ban possible.
Text - S.1253 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Preventing Online Sales of E-Cigarettes to Children Act
Notice that all vape is being banned for shipment by USPS as it states "any other substance", not just nicotine vape.

All online retailers that have sent notice about this seem to be saying they will refuse to take new orders after March 22. The dates each retailer has set range from March 23 to March 27 from what I have seen, so time is running out fast to order supplies online.

There is talk by some of the larger retailers that they have secured a new carrier that will be focusing on major urban areas. It remains to be seen if it will fly and if it will be a viable solution.

After this, barring some other major nail in the coffin, where B&M stores cannot get inventory, the only way to get anything will be in a local B&M storefront, where selection will be limited and priced high, and it will be rare to find nic base stocked for DIY.

As @440BB said in the original thread... "Time is near to get creative or be fully stocked up!".

But we are getting too close now that you don't have much, if any, time to make an informed decision on what hardware to buy and stocks are running out. As far as atomizers go, rebuildable atomizers WILL be your salvation as we enter into the vapocalypse.

But if you have enough gear and/or if money is tight, you should focus on nicotine base so you can DIY your own juice, unless you prefer store bought juice and are willing to vape whatever your local vape shop has in stock at any given moment. A list of nicotine base and glass bottle suppliers can be found here...
List of US Retailers Still Shipping 100mg Nicotine Base | E-Cigarette Forum

Please keep in mind that person to person (consumer to consumer aka C2C) shipments are still allowed but the current postal regulations severely restrict it. A summary of the C2C tobacco products postal regulations (well actually, only cigarettes and smokeless tobacco) (as I understand them) are as follows, but this could possibly change.

- Total package weight must be no more than 10 oz.

- Must be shipped using face-to-face service. In other words, must present package to postal worker at USPS counter. No pickups allowed. Proof of age and identity of sender must be verified with govt issued photo ID.

- Must be sent with "Express Mail" (I take this to mean Priority Express? - expensive, minimum $25 but more if Adult 21+ Signature service is required to be purchased - not clear on that. You will be paying retail rates since you have to buy this postage at the post office, so it might even be closer to $30+ all tolled just to ship one small package).

- Shipping label must bear real, full names of both shipper and recipient.

- Outside of package must be labeled with wording "PERMITTED TOBACCO MAILING – DELIVER ONLY TO AGE-VERIFIED ADULT OF LEGAL AGE"

- USPS will not deliver package to recipient. Package will be held at local post office for pickup and successful pickup will require proof of age and identity of recipient, verified with govt issued photo ID. Recipient must sign PS Form 3849.

- One person cannot mail more than 10 such shipments a 30-day period (meaning, you will likely be put in a database in order to track your identity and how many C2C tobacco product shipments you made in the last 30-days, which is why you have to ship it via a trip to the post office).

DMM Revision: Treatment of Cigarettes and Smokeless Tobacco as Nonmailable Matter​
 

Hey guys, pretty new here only one previous post...
Was having problems with my K100 & Mini Nautilus combo for vaping, that's why I originally signed up!!
Talked about it with members & found my K100 was ultimately the problem, upgraded to a IPV Mini & I'm vaping like a king

& that's the issue so now I'm vaping about 6ml a day, I just smashed through a 15ml 12mg nicotine Cinnabun & 15ml 0mg nicotine Cinnabun.
(Mixing the two gives me great flavor & the right amount of nicotine hit)
So the point of this post was...

Where do you guys buy Juice?
( I usually buy from a local smoke shop about 10$ per 15ml )
Is that expensive ?
I've looked online & factoring shipping price I need to buy 3-4 bottles + to be saving money & I've bought online before, ( ordered 60$ in samples & the flavors were horrid in my opinion I guess that online vendor just isn't my taste ? )
So I'm just wondering is 10$ every 2-3 days the best I can do juice wise ?
Or are there some trusted online vendors you guys can agree on with good flavors & good prices?

I'm currently smoking from a local vendor I believe ( MadHatters )
& love there flavors.
 

Today in the mail, the snail mail, i received a large envelope from VUSE with a two page add for a new product and it was addressed to my name.

Now i know i havent used their product and i havent signed up to receive any info from them (VUSE). I also bought all my gear online from various Vape vendors and none of it was VUSE or any type of chepo vape cigs. So one of the vendors went behind my back and sold VUSE my info. I dont know which vendor but one of them did, looks like ill be getting more junk in my mail box.


 

Well...it looks like US buyers' chances to buy vaping products from Chinese vendors and pay with PP...is likely coming to an end. I was just browsing Heaven Gifts again and the following jumped out at me. They have none of the major CC options listed for payment either. Glad I got in an order earlier last week and it was shipped already.

I now wonder how long before other Chinese vape products vendors will post something similar.

https://www.heavengifts.com/article/Suspension-paypal.html  

I was sort of counting on them for odds and ends once the FDA rules kick in in May, or if there are laws passed between now and then.... but it looks like they will be shut down:
China Effectively Bans Online Sales of E-Cigarettes

China Bans Online Sales of E-Cigarettes

I have several fasttech and several vaporl orders that have not shipped yet too.

EDIT: Although the article does say "“There is no law and regulation in China that forbids the online sale of e-cigarette yet,” said Ou Junbiao, head of the Electronic Cigarette Industry Committee of China. "

EDIT #2: vaporl does have a US warehouse too though, although oddly enough the shipping is cheaper from Hong Kong.