Ca Backtracking On Their Stance On E-cigs?

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On Facebook there is a proud stance taken by vaporers at the moment, on the
FDA Facebook page, under their smoking post.
Use above hashtag.
There have been over 3500 posts with the above hashtag in about 7 hours time.
Take a stand!
https://www.facebook.com/FDA?pnref=story  

One of my facebook friends posted an e-cig article and the title of it was "e-cigs have 10x more cancer causing ingredients than cigarettes" . I would like to be there when they "test" these things so I could see how their testing them and what brand of e-cig their testing.  

Just curious....I love the clone/ authentic threads. People get pretty "passionate" about what other people choose to spend their money on....its kinda crazy.

I was just curious if anyone ever changed their stance on buying or not buying clones after reading one of the thousands of angry debates about clones vs. authentics.

My stance has remained steady since the beginning. I still don't care what you use.  

So I see Todd do a mod review on a nice little 18350 hybrid, he really likes it, I really like it. I need another mod like I need another hole in my head. But I know this is a small upstart and they have a cool idea, it's half stolen idea and the other half all been done before, but it's a nice combo, I LOVE hybrid mods and I LOVE 18350's, so I decide I'll spend the $200 or whatever it is and get one.

I do some research, CRAP, they only have a Facebook page and some Google list they sell them through. The old Google list from the first batch is now closed and no new list available. When you sold it your first 100 or 1000 or whatever run, wouldn't it make sense to put up another list and take deposits so you could at least gauge the demand for your second production run? Or maybe you could use some of the money you made to get a small one page website... What do I know?

So I Facebook Message them to please let me know when they have them ready for sale I want one, AND post right in the thread on THEIR Facebook page announcing they will soon have a new batch ready for shipment, that I want one. Please let me know when you are ready to sell. In both places someone answers and says they will let me know.

Fast forward 35 days, I've heard nothing from them.

So I message them again and ask any of the new Hybryds available? Someone answers me back yeah we have them, sorry I wasn't able to message you back. NO LINK FOR THE LIST. NO PRICE. NO LINK TO A WEBSITE. NOTHING ELSE. End of message.

I don't know what economy these idiots live in but here in Virginia where I live and ran my own business for 13 years, when someone is slapping me in the face with their hard earned cash I promise you, if I have to work 20 hours a day I'm going to answer every e mail, every Facebook post, every Facebook messenger post, every phone call and every thread here as kindly and as politely as possible and take ALL the money I can get my hands on, till every grubby little mod is sold.

But that's just me.

And before some of you start defending them with this and that excuse....I know EXACTLY what it takes to design, source materials, production cost's, percentage of scrap, pay electric bills, taxes and employee payroll, insurance, shipping costs and get business loans. There is no good excuse except they just dropped the ball.

If you're going to submit your mod to Todd for review AND he raves about it shouldn't you be ramping your production up so you can meet the demand.

Blah, blah, blah......  

Perhaps folks who have posted documentation in a variety of spots would want to post it here as well. We could use a go-to thread when we're looking for solid evidence on a topic ("Just the facts, ma'am.).

Let's post only heavy-duty stuff, genuine documentation, not in-my-opinion pieces and the like. I'll start with these:

A document from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services ("These e-cigarettes are not considered smoking devices, and their heating element does not pose the same dangers of ignition as regular cigarettes.") A 55-page study from the National Institutes of Health's National Center for Biotechnology Information ("The potential of significant adverse effects on bystanders is minimal.") A 13-page study from FEMA's U.S. Fire Administration ("More than 2.5 million Americans are using electronic cigarettes [e-cigs or e-cigarettes], and this number is growing rapidly. Fires or explosions caused by e-cigarettes are rare. Twenty-five separate incidents of explosion and fire involving an e-cigarette were reported in the United States media between 2009 and August 2014."). ​
 

According to this link that Nick Green posted to Facebook, Sony is apparently stating officially that they are no longer making VTC4 and VTC5 batteries...

Sony's official response to the availability of VTC4 and VTC5
18650s  

hey All,

I joined here several months ago. Posted that I had done e-cigs for march to about June and then switched back to traditional and came back here for support and knowledge which I have received in spades here.thanks.

32 days ago I came down with low grade fever, 100.5 at most slights aches and fatigue..nothing major but certainly not ordinary. At the time I was back to 10-15 traditional cigs per day. But with the fever and fatigue I immediately stopped tradtional cigs--as I thought it could be Covid and honestly had no desire.

Turns out it was NOT Covid and in the 32 days I have had a total of 3 puffs from an e-cig in my desk drawer. I'm otherwise back to normal and only slightly crave a hit of e-cig and I know can use it I need it but the cravings only are short.

I think one part of this is with Covid and being in NYC--I'm not on the streets as much and I never see hardly anyone smoke or even vape. I do go to an office 4 days a week and the walk to the office is 12 minutes. And like a normal city--pre covid you'd always see people outside having a smoke or a vape and enjoying themselves and for me that's what kind of drove the cravings and addiction. now when I come home from work, I don't have a craving need.

After 32 days without a traditional cig and only 3 puffs of an e-cig --does that happen to people? In my head I have committed that I will be a non traditional cig smoker and if I need the e-cigs I'm fine with that. There is a slight concern that if we ever get back to normal and I " see" people smoke that might bring it back..who knows? Hopefully I am far along enough now that it wont' effect me. In fact I saw a bke messenger smoking at a stop light yesterday and just looking at the traditional cig kind of grossed me out. so maybe that's a good sign?

The benefits so far a my apartment and clothes smell normal. I have more energy and can breath better.

Maybe for me (and others) the visual appeal or or just seeing others enjoy a cigarette was part of the addiction?  

I've been vaping for about 2 1/2 yrs, got down to 3 mg juice over the last several months, was doing fine. I rarely drink anymore but a couple of weeks ago I got drunk and the 3 mg juice wasn't doing it so I got a pack of cigs. Now I'm having a hard time staying away from the cigs because the 3 mgs juice ain't satisfying the nicotine crave. I only smoke a few cigs a day but I'm ready to get off them completely again. I'm going to order some 12 mg and 6 mg juice and work my way down to my 3 mg again. I'm also going to keep some 12 mg handy for the next time I get a few beers in me.

Lesson learned!  

Yesterday I was reviewing a bunch of recently published patent applications on e-cigs (for fun, which I know . . . is sort of questionable). Didn't find anything new and exciting to share on potential new products, though I did learn a lot more about what problems the industry is trying to resolve. On the other hand, I did find a couple of claimed inventions too amusing not to share.

First is U.S. Patent App. No. 8,9757,64. It has the idea of sticking a bunch of magnets on cylindrical blade assembly to power an e-cig. Every time I think of this, I just imagine someone sucking on their e-cig until it spins up and sounds like a siren whistle. You know, the ones we used as kids to annoy the crap out of everyone. I included a pic to help elaborate my overactive imagination.


Siren by Yozhik posted Jun 4, 2015 at 6:54 PM


Second is another inventor (as shown in CN204119379) who thought it would be a good idea to include video and audio recording on an e-cig. Why, you might ask? So you can use it on your car dashboard to record traffic ahead. MVP killer anyone?  

The FDA has a decision on e cigs.they are supposed to be banning all flavored pods.
They are not going to be banning top tank e cigs because kids don't like them.

I hope this is true.friday we should know more. Happy New year.