Smokeyjoe Interview

You can download all 499 pages of the regulations he https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2016-10685.pdf

We liveblogged the reaction: Deeming Live blog | vaping.com

Clive Bates on Stanton Glantz and the junk science which got us he Professor Glantz brings his anti-vaping crusade to Europe – I review his presentation

Here's the reaction from US vaping organisations:

SFATA:SFATA ISSUES STATEMENT ON FDA’S FINAL DEEMING RULE - SFATA | Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association
VTA: (via Phil Busardo) - http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/archives/12809
AVA: Not yet
TVECA: Not yet

And from ECITA, UK org: FDA ‘Deeming’ of e-cigs – designed to destroy? | ECITA - Electronic Cigarette Industry Trade Association

Individual commentors

Mike Siegel: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: My Op-Ed in Wall Street Journal Points Out Folly of FDA E-Cigarette Deeming Regulations & The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: FDA E-Cigarette Deeming Regulations are a Disaster for Public Health

Carl Phillips: Ecig deeming regulation — nothing new to see here

Rich Lowry: http://nypost.com/2016/05/09/uncle-sams-crackdown-on-e-cigs-will-make-it-harder-to-quit-smoking/

Sally Satel: What the US should learn from the UK's wisdom on e-cigarettes - AEI

Consumer organisations:

CASAA: CASAA: FDA Deeming Regulations: Release and Next Steps

Various articles
Washington Post: Why the FDA’s new e-cigarette regulations are a gift to Big Tobacco (and could actually harm public health)

Economics21: FDA’s New E-Cig Regs Will Kill

US News: What the E-Cigarette Black Market Will Look Like if FDA Stomps Industry

Reason: Government Officials Are Determined to Turn Vapers Into Scofflaws

PBS interview with Mitch Zeller: Skyrocketing teen use of e-cigarettes leads to new regulations

Clarityse: When two tribes go to war

Stock Transcript: The government crackdown is he What the FDA regulations mean for e-cigarettes | Stock Transcript

Science Explorer: FDA Announces That E-Cigarette Products Will Now Be Regulated Like Regular Cigarettes

NYT Health: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/upshot/e-cigarettes-are-safer-but-not-exactly-safe.html

Weekly Standard: FDA Moves to Kill E-Cigarettes

Think Tanks:

FEE: How the FDA Is Helping Big Tobacco and Encouraging Teen Smoking | Jonathan H. Adler

See also Sally Satel at AEI above
Videos

Brent Stafford (regulator watch): NO MORE CASUALTIES - VAPING BECOMES COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN WAR ON SMOKING - REG WATCH (E28) from Brent Stafford on Vimeo  

With the deeming regulations coming up?
With some states wanting to put .30 a ml of juice containing nic. (MN SF 2025)
Low Ohm builds, High wattage, 120 ml a day going to be gone If you don't DIY ? ($36.00 tax only).  

NINE
That's the number of months we have left until the new PMTA deadline.

Personally, I've been ready for a bit over three years. This thread is mostly intended for people who realize they aren't ready yet but would like help getting there, who aren't willing or able to wade though 23,000+ posts in the Deeming Regulations thread or 24,000+ in the Stocking Up thread.  

instead of hanging on to the Deeming thread. They really Aren't even close to the same thing.

Rightfully so, I L'dMAO at all this Deeming sillyness. Everything I've been using was Still totally available for the usual reasonable prices. Those places that blamed Deeming for their going out of business would have gone its up Anyway. (I put Juice Mixing in with owning a Liquor store or a Boobie Bar. How can you Possible eff that up??)

I'm not laughing anymore though.

This shipping ban will Likely bring a Screeching damn HALT to the vape world as we know it. I saw a poster say Well at least we still have our Local shops. Oh really, how do you think They're gonna get new stock shipped to Them??

If UPS starts Enforcing their Already Existing tobacco products Ban, that's IT folks, the Last even slightly open shipping door Slams Shut. And pretty damn soon too.

Thankfully I have about 2 years of hardware and about 1.5 years of juice left. I think my Plan B will involve a Bud in Canada shipping me stuff IF it's even still available There by the time I Need it.

I sure have missed the Demoncrats running my life for me. Not. I can't thank them enough for this shipping ban.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl  

We should petition SmokeyJoe to offer one of those awesome prizes for the 15,000,000th post to the 223,000 member (if it happens BEFORE the 15,000,000th post!!!!)

Only 68 more members to go!!!!!  

World Vape Day 2021 | Complete 3-Hour Show | RegWatch (Live)

Complete 3-hour North American Coverage hosted by RegWatch in partnership with Rights4Vapers and presented by DViNE Laboratories.

Live Streamed: May 30, 2021
Released: June 1, 2021

See it he

https://regulatorwatch.com/reported_elsewhere/world-vape-day-2021-complete-3-hour-show-regwatch-live/  

Any concept of how vaping will be viewed in the decades to come is purely speculative. But, some of us are stocked up to the point that, if we choose, we can continue vaping decades into the future...regardless of regulations.
If you're still vaping in 20-years, in spite of regulations which would inhibit vaping...how do you picture that scene? Are you a criminal, a pariah, a fool, a freak?
Would young folk appreciate your antiquated mods? Or pity you? In the year 2040.  

Given some of the discussions in other threads that have taken over the original posters reason for the discussion and purpose of that thread . . . AND - Although there are other threads already having this type of discussion/discourse that people ignore or pass on (Don't really know their reasons why they refuse to post there where the same discussion is happening) . . . SO - This thread is only being created to hopefully move the ongoing disruptive conversation in other threads and have a specific thread opened for that discussion - instead of having it spread through-out so many other threads - in effect changing the main topic of discussion and why People are there in the first place . . .

This threads main purpose is to discuss and/or further debate - of course following ECF (This is NOT "OUTSIDE") - these personal opinions and commentaries . . .

SO - What is it that you perceive is going to happen - once Deeming Regulations, Federal, State, an even Local laws/restrictions are passed (or already have been passed) . . . AND - Are actually finally enacted . . .

The Government Does Nothing - Only the present Rules & Regulations go into effect, People over 21 will still be able to continue to purchase vape products (maybe with some limitations), Vape in their home/cars/designate areas out in public . . . Will there be current or even more - Grey Market - Black Market . . . Will there be Police Raids (both on commercial venues/private homes) - Products Seized by Customs - Arrest made for "Vaping" in public and or for distribution when sharing with others/passing along equipment/e-liquids, etc. to Family & Friends - Or for "Vaping" while driving . . .​


OKAY - If Ya' got something to say or an opinion or better yet actual FACTS to share - here is the thread to do it . . .

JUST REMEMBER - This thread is NOT "OUTSIDE" and Civility is a MUST for everyone - NO, Matter what your personal views are . . .



Have Fun. . . .

EDIT: BTW - I have absolutely no intentions on participating in this discussion/discourse - nor provide any personal insights/opinions/feelings about this subject - this thread is here to allow everyone else a place to do so and keep it out of other on going threads that have nothing to do with future conjecture/s of their personal perceived opinions of "What Is Going to Happen" . . . Just Sayin' . . .


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that might not sound big news to you guys but when you live in Thailand it sure is . It’s a secret underground vape shop in khon kaen city where I live , I’ve tried to find it on my own and failed so this time I took my wife so she could understand the info better, anyway eventually we found it , no shop signs just a door amid streets and alleyways in a part of the city we didn’t know existed. But worth it ,what I want to do is gradually stop having hardware shipped from uk and become self reliant, if he could speak English it would be better but my Thais not bad and it seems in vaping some words are international , like overload lol  

I'm looking at all the news reports just running and jumping with joy about the study that came out about teen vaping use today. I believe this was a catalyst that is going to get the general, non-informed "I'll do whatever you say and where do I check the voting ballot again??" public, right behind strict regulations and/or banning. My, how powerful manipulation is with what was once the minority, but what I'm afraid is now the majority in this country.

What is getting me is that almost ALL the commenters are stating that these are bad, very very bad and just look at "all the reports that are coming out about negative side effects." Where are they seeing reports about scientific study results regarding negative side effects and a link to cancer? Or is this just another case of "those people" that want to tell us all how to live imagining all these studies (one even quoted they cause cancer according to recent studies) in their little pea-sized non-independent thinking brains? I am just amazed at how the mind works with some people. How they can just "want something to be" and so, in their little minds, they have fabricated all these studies showing negative side effects and direct causes to cancer. Really?

I'm sorry if I sound ticked off. I'm just so sick and tired of watching a vast majority of Americans lose their ability to think for themselves and that are so content to be LAZY and just believe whatever it is they hear from the media. You know, you just can't fight stupid.